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Recording IN STEREO with AUDACITY

Postby Hugh-AR » 29 Jun 2024 12:47

Windows 10 and recording with Audacity - IN STEREO

Modern keyboards pose no problem when recording. You can record directly to WAV or MP3 to the keyboard's hard disk, or to a memory stick. But what about those older keyboards and organs that don't have the option to record to WAV or MP3?

My Yamaha AR80 is one of these, and to date I have had no problems doing recordings using Audacity. In the early days my computer had a LINE IN for STEREO INPUT (a white stereo 3.5mm socket). Then along came laptops, and to record with them you had to do it via a USB Port. I have a LINE OUT from my organ, so put that through an AUDIO INTERFACE ...

(The one I have is the Behringer UCA202)

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... which had a permanent USB from it which I plugged into my laptop. Audacity picked up the STEREO input from the Audio Interface via the USB. Recordings went great, and were in STEREO.

Then this year I had a new laptop, running Windows 10 (well, not 'new' .. a 'refurbished' one). I downloaded Audacity 3.0.0, connected up all my leads to record .. and everything seemed to be going fine. Until I listened to it and visually looked at the waveform that Audacity had produced. This wasn't being recorded in STEREO! It was TWO TRACK MONO! The waveforms on the left and right channels were exactly the same.

Do you know what I am talking about? MONO is just one track, so if you have two speakers (or headphones) the sound only comes out of one side. With STEREO you get sounds coming from the left, and different sounds coming from the right. The overall sound is a 'fullness' all round. TWO TRACK MONO is the same mono track coming from both sides. I can only describe that as the sound appearing to come from 'over the top of your head'.

Have a listen to these two. To best understand what is happening, probably best to listen with headphones. This is a recording of Margaret Draper playing Albatross on her AR100 organ. She records to a floppy disk on her organ, and by sending me the floppy files I am able to play her piece through my organ. The audio is taken from the LINE OUT of the organ, and this first one has been successfully recorded in STEREO on my old laptop.

STEREO


https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/md-albatross

This is what the Audacity waveform looks like. Look closely at the left and right channels and you will see that they are different.

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This next one has been recorded the same way, but on my new laptop .. and this one has ended up as TWO TRACK MONO.

2-TRACK MONO


https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/md-albatross-2trackmono

This is what the Audacity waveform looks like this time. Look closely at the left and right channels .. they are exactly the same!

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As a musician, there really is no point in doing a recording unless it is in STEREO. You don't get the separation of the instruments and therefore don't get the 'fullness' of sound. If you compare this with sight, it's like looking at the world through one eye and not getting any perspective.
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Re: Recording IN STEREO with AUDACITY

Postby Hugh-AR » 29 Jun 2024 13:27

On YouTube I have found these three examples of Mono, Two-Track-Mono, and Stereo for the same piece of music .. Jim Reeves singing I Love You Because.

1. MONO recording (one track only .. left Channel if using Stereo equipment to listen).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoA-uVGfw

2. This one, which is recorded in TWO TRACK MONO (the same Mono track coming from left and right Channels).
He sings three songs in this clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZVkRXfOfCk

3. And the same piece done in STEREO (a very good stereo recording).

JIM REEVES - I LOVE YOU BECAUSE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qit_HikDGxU

After listening to these I'm sure you will understand why I want to get my laptop to record things I play on my AR80 organ in 'proper' STEREO.

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Re: Recording IN STEREO with AUDACITY

Postby Hugh-AR » 29 Jun 2024 13:47

SOLUTION to getting my 'new' laptop to record in STEREO

I have finally come up with the solution to all this. YOU DON'T NEED ANY OTHER DRIVERS. You just use the Windows Generic one .. but you have to set up the options to do what you want.

First of all, I plugged my Audio Interface (the Behringer UCA202) into one of the USB Ports. The green light on the device comes on to show that it is taking power from the laptop, and ready to go.

To get at the Windows Sound options, click the 'windows' icon, bottom left .. and then choose Settings.

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Next, choose System.

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Then choose Sound.

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In this next screen you will see the Input device. This is called a Microphone, and herein lies the problem. By default, Windows sets any USB Input Device as a Microphone, and sets it up as a MONO input.

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To get at the Windows Sound Options you have to click on Device properties.
The next screen that comes up is this one.

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Looking at the above, it looks as though you have reached the end of the road, and Windows is just informing you that that indeed is the Input Device .. a Microphone (which you can Rename if you so wish).

But look over to the right of the screen and you will see this:

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Click on Additional device properties and you will see this:

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Look at the 'tabs' at the top. This tab is the General one.

Click on Advanced, and you will see this:

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You can see from the screen above that the Microphone Properties, Default Format has been set up as 1 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality).
This is why all the recordings have been coming out as 'two-track MONO'.

Click the 'down-arrow' on the right and select (click on) 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality) .. ie. a STEREO input.

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You will now see this .. but don't click OK yet! You have to click Apply first, to set this option. Then click OK.

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Last thing to do is to set the Volume Level for your Input Device.
Click on the tab Levels at the top and set the volume to about 70%. You can always change this later if your recordings are either too loud or too soft. 70% is perfect for the LINE OUT from the AR80 organ.

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Then to make sure my Input Device is the one I have set up I have gone back to an earlier screen and Renamed my device from Microphone to BEHRINGER.

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Then when Audacity picks it up it will say that the 'Microphone' is the BEHRINGER (USB CODEC).

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Once I had done all this I did Restart my laptop just in case I needed to do this in order to make my new settings the new 'Default'.

I have now recorded Bev Harrison's piece East of the Sun, and here are the two versions I have recorded on this laptop.
The first is the MONO version this 'new' laptop was creating until I changed the Windows settings; and the second is the STEREO version I am now getting.

2-TRACK MONO


https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/bh-eastofsunmono

STEREO


https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/bh-eastofsunstereo

Just listening to that INTRO, what a difference it makes to have the recording in STEREO!

So now (at last!) I can use my 'new' laptop to record my AR80 organ (or any other Stereo source) in STEREO.

Hugh
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Re: Recording IN STEREO with AUDACITY

Postby Hugh-AR » 29 Jun 2024 13:54

In the above, I had set the Windows Input Sample Rate to 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality). However, I only need 2 channel, 16 bit, 44100 Hz (CD Quality) and this is what I had previously set up in Audacity.

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So I have gone back into the Windows Sound Settings, Input (the quickest way to do this is to right-click the speaker icon bottom right and to choose Open Sound settings).

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Clicked on Device properties, then Additional device properties, Advanced and changed the sample rate. Finally clicked on Apply, and then OK.

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Re: Recording IN STEREO with AUDACITY

Postby Hugh-AR » 29 Jun 2024 13:55

Note: Every time I get a Windows Update my recording option is re-set to MONO, so I have to go back to the instructions above and change it back to 2 Channel, 16 bit 44100 Hz (CD Quality).

When I do this I have to have the BEHRINGER UCA 202 Audio Interface plugged into a USB Port (it shows it's 'live' as the green light comes on) as Windows Sound is actually configuring the UCA202 device. I do not run Audacity until after I have re-set the option from MONO to STEREO.
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