MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

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MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 25 Nov 2023 11:47

MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Why use the AUDIO RECORDER for MULTITRACKING when you can multitrack with the MIDI RECORDER? You may well ask! If I was just going to multitrack something on my Tyros 4 .. yes .. I could record my piece using the Midi Recorder and then add more tracks to it.

But what if ...

I already have an audio recording and want to add something into it? Or, I want to collaborate with another musician and between us come up with some multitracking? No point sending him a MID file to play on his keyboard as a MIDIFILE will only come up with the right sounds if it is played back on the keyboard it was created in. An AUDIO FILE (MP3 or WAV file) on the other hand reproduces the 'true sound' of the original recording. Although, agreed, you can't do much with it .. unless you have a Yamaha keyboard!

In this topic I want to take another look at something I have done before .. creating a BASS PART for Michael Row The Boat Ashore. Previously, I had done this with a MULTIPAD. This time the BASS will be MULTITRACKED using the AUDIO RECORDER. I shall be sending Ron a WAV file and asking him to put in a BASS PART. A WAV file because Ron has a Tyros 3, and I have a Tyros 4, neither of which will handle MP3s (although both keyboards will play them).

As we are going to be creating a BASS LINE, I have to record the song with no bass part. I have put this up as a WAV file on audio.com, and you can listen to it and download it from here (Ron .. or anyone who wants to have a go at doing this).



I have called my track Hugh's Band NO BASS.wav. When you click the DOWNLOAD ARROW, if you are given the option, choose to download as a WAV file (22.3MB). If there is no option, it will automatically download it as a WAV file as that is what I put up.

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Put this file onto a Memory Stick and put the Memory Stick into your keyboard.

You now need to find the file (which is on your Memory Stick) and highlight it.

Press the SELECT button in the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER. Pressing that button three times gives you three options (MODE) .. MULTI, SIMPLE and PLAYLIST. The one you want is SIMPLE.

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The file is on USB1, so make sure that 'tab' is showing.
Click on the file to highlight it, and click COPY.

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Click OK to confirm the Copy.

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Move the 'tab' across from USB1 to HD1. PASTE it to HD1.

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Now find the file on HD1 and highlight it.

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In the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER press the PLAY to listen to it.

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To 'play a BASS line' while you are listening to the 'Track with no Bass', you have to set your keyboard up with a BASS Voice in RIGHT 1 (R1).

The quickest way to do this is to turn your keyboard OFF .. and then turn it back ON again.

The 'default' is for your whole keyboard to be set up as PIANO ... ie. piano from top note to bottom note.

A few things to notice.

1. Only R1 (RIGHT 1) is set up.

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2. The VOICE chosen is PIANO.

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3. The ACMP (Accompaniment) button is OFF (ie. it is not lit up).
We don't need the ACMP button on as we are not setting up the keyboard to play something using a Style. We will be listening to a WAV file and adding another PART by MULTITRACKING it.

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This setup ensures that R1 plays your chosen VOICE from top to bottom of the keyboard.
Don't turn the ACMP button on as that will introduce a SPLIT POINT and your VOICE will no longer play from top note to bottom note.

But we don't want a PIANO!
So change the VOICE CATEGORY from PIANO to BASS.
Press the BASS category in VOICE and choose a BASS VOICE.

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I have chosen LowBass (tossed between that and AcousticBass).

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I will be playing the bass notes with my right hand and not my left. Try playing a few bass notes so you can hear where best to play them.
Check the VOLUME LEVEL of your BASS. When you turned your keyboard OFF and then ON again the 'default' was to set all the VOLUMES across the board to 100.
By pressing the BALANCE button you can change the VOLUME of RIGHT 1.
I did want to hear the bass player, so reckoned 100 was about right.

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Also, when you turned your keyboard OFF and then ON again, your WAV file with NO BASS will no longer be set up to PLAY it .. so you'll have to find it again. Follow the instructions above to find the WAV file using the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER.

Now you have your keyboard set up to both listen to the WAV track (press the PLAY in the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER) and play a bass line along with it .. give it a go!

It really is quite fun to 'play along with a band' (as those that have played in a band will tell you), and to gel with the band 'playing a part by ear' is something else again. If I was a BASS player I would probably play something like this ...



Maybe got too carried away :shock: :?: :?: :D

In my next post I'll explain how to go about multitracking this bass part and adding it to the WAV file.
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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Ron » 25 Nov 2023 12:54

Very easy and well explained tutorial.

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 27 Nov 2023 02:54

Now that you have practised putting in a BASS by 'playing with the band', here is how to get that bass part into the mix and end up with a WAV file that everybody can listen to. Bear in mind that once you have put in this bass part, you can listen to what you have done before SAVING it .. and if you don't like what you hear you can do it again .. and again .. and again, until you are satisfied with the final result. This applies to any WAV file you may have of any song, and any VOICE PART you want to add in to the mix (eg. STRINGS, GUITAR, etc.).

The first step is to find the WAV file and highlight it. On my Tyros 4 I have put my WAV file onto HD1 to work with, but I'm sure that you could also work with it from the Memory Stick. And if you have a Yamaha keyboard that will RECORD to MP3, then it will work with an MP3 file. But I would prefer to work with a WAV file, as an MP3 is a 'compressed' file and therefore has had some data loss.

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Having found the file you can press the PLAY in the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER to listen to it (to make sure you have the right file!).

With the file highlighted, press the RECORD on the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER. Just the RECORD button .. not the RECORD and STOP buttons together .. that is for making a NEW AUDIO recording, and we're not doing that.

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The RECORD button does not flash! What does happen is a message comes up to say, "Hang on a minute! You can't RECORD to here! This is a SIMPLE recording! You can only record over the top of an existing AUDIO file if it is a Multi Track Audio File (ie. it ends in .aud .. not WAV or MP3). Do you want to convert this file to a Multi Track recording file?". Now then, before you do this make sure you have your ORIGINAL WAV recording stored somewhere as at some point in this process it will override the WAV file you are working with, and you don't want to lose your original file. Best to work with a COPY of the original file.

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Click YES and it will convert it.

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You can see now that we have switched from the Simple screen to the Multi screen, and the screen you see in front of you is where you will be working from. Click OK.

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The first thing to note in this MULTI TRACK RECORDER screen is that the REC MODE says NORMAL REC.
What does this mean? Well, if you start recording you can't hear the track you are supposed to be 'playing along with'. Why they have got this as the 'default' I shall never know! You need to hear the WAV file playing in order to play that bass part!

I have also pointed out with the yellow arrow the button to click to UNDO your recording should you not be happy with the bass part you have recorded when you listen to the mix. You can click this button as many times as you like (it's not activated at the moment because you haven't recorded anything).

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Click the REC MODE button and you will get a drop-down box.
Move down to NORMAL REC (PLUS PLAYBACK).

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Press the EXIT button.

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Your MULTI TRACK RECORDER screen now looks like this. That's more like it!

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Ready for it? All geared up to go?

Press the REC button again. This time it will be 'flashing', indicating it's ready to record.

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Now press the PLAY button on the AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER and your WAV file starts playing. On that first beat of the bar play the BASS PART you have been practising .. and keep going right to the end!
When you have finished, press the STOP button .. but not too early! Better to have a bit of silence at the end of the piece than to have the song 'chopped off' before it has finished.

Now press the PLAY button again, and this time it will 'play back' what you have just done. Basically, these are two separate tracks that you are listening to .. 'playing together'. You OK with that? If you made a mess of it, click the UNDO (which is now activated) ...

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... and the BASS part that you have just recorded is deleted.
It will tell you to WAIT while it is doing it ...

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... and then to click OK when it has finished.

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Now it's 'undone' you have to press the REC again (wait for it to start flashing), and then the PLAY .. and off you go again. You can do this as many times as you like.

Once you are satisfied with the final result, you need to get these two tracks permanently joined 'as one'.
This is called MIXDOWN.

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Click MIXDOWN and the next screen is as below.
Note the file name it is giving it, and where it is being SAVED. Neither of these can be changed, as they are greyed out.

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Click START.

It is now telling you that there already is a file with that name. Well yes, the WAV file we started with, with NO BASS. And we have now have a WAV file with a BASS. Clicking on YES will replace the NO BASS file with this new one (I did say earlier that at one point your original NO BASS WAV file would be overridden).

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Click YES and the MIXDOWN will proceed.

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The new file with the bass you have just done is SAVED in the same place as your original file, and with the same name. To find it, go to SELECT - MODE - SIMPLE in your AUDIO RECORDER/PLAYER.

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As this is a SIMPLE recording, which now has the bass part added, it can be highlighted and COPIED back to your Memory Stick.

It is also worth noting that your keyboard has also SAVED your MULTI file (.aud file) in SELECT - MODE - MULTI.

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The reason why it has done this is because we are talking about MULTITRACKING here. You may wish to add another track to the mix, and if so, you can start straight off with the MULTI file rather than the WAV file which you would have to convert.

Another thing to note. This MULTI file (.aud) can only be handled on your own keyboard. It can't be COPIED and PASTED onto the Memory Stick to be sent to somebody else as there is no USB1 tab .. although I do have a Memory Stick plugged in.

And yes, I have had a go at adding a BASS to the 'track with NO BASS' as I have been going along. The result of my efforts is below.



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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Ron » 27 Nov 2023 12:03

Very happy that you have finally completed this topic which is well detailed. My first attempt at including my own bass part will be up and running ASAP. :D

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby dentyr » 27 Nov 2023 22:28

That's great, bass comes through but not overwhelming. Nice finished piece.
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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 28 Nov 2023 01:31

There are some on the PSR Tutorial Forum who would say, "Why bother? No one would notice anyway. Just press some buttons and play some songs."

Been in a band, done that. We used to play songs one after another for people to dance to. It gives me no satisfaction to do that now. The fun I get out of playing a keyboard is in getting it to create the music I can hear in my head. Quite a challenge sometimes!

With regard to having a proper BASS to Michael Row The Boat Ashore, just listen to the bass player in this YouTube clip. He didn't get as carried away as I did with my bass part, but he does plenty of 'walk ups', and these really make the song.

The Highwaymen - Michael (Row The Boat Ashore)



You won't get that from a Yamaha STYLE!

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Ron » 28 Nov 2023 20:31

Hugh and I had discussed this way of two musicians collaborating as I used to be a bass player in a band, and Hugh had asked what I would have played as a bass part to his Michael Row The Boat Ashore. We had already decided that there was no point in trying to use a MIDI recording as Hugh has a Tyros 4 and I have a Tyros 3, so any MIDI recording made on the Tyros 4 would not have had the same sound when played on my Tyros 3. A WAV file, on the other hand, is set in stone and plays the correct sound whichever device it is played on.

Now that Hugh has put up instructions on how to MULTITRACK with an AUDIO file, I downloaded his Michael Row 'with no bass' and followed those instructions to put in a bass part of my own. I used VINTAGE ROUND as my Voice, and did a one attempt bass part, completely off the cuff, and would not be able to duplicate what I played. I have put my effort up on Audio.com for you to hear how it has turned out. Probably overplayed my part, but that is just the way I was hearing it.

Click the below to listen.



I am amazed at what one can do with these 'Arranger Keyboards'!

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 28 Nov 2023 22:51

Ron,

Very impressed with that! Not being a bass player I find it difficult to 'think like a bass player'. I liked those 'high' bass notes towards the end .. and that run down the scale to finish the piece off.

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 10 Dec 2023 00:34

I asked on the PSR Tutorial Forum if anyone had used the Audio Recorder to do MULTITRACKING, and had an answer from somebody called Del B, who said:
Hi Hugh.
Yes I have multitracked using the Audio Recorder, on my YouTube channel. Carol of the bells is one, I know him so well, and Blue Christmas is another and all were quite easy to do on the Tyros 5. I have not tried multi tracking in the midi recorder as yet.

Too many bells in that first one to determine which ones he had Multitracked, but these next two show what can be done quite clearly.

Blue Christmas - Tyros 5 Cover by Del



I Know Him So Well (From Chess) Tyros5 Cover By Del

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Ron » 10 Dec 2023 00:36

This is an old standard jazz tune which I played at 180 bpm and added my own self played bass part. This was done to assist Hugh in his latest topic of adding a bass part to any previously recorded tune. It is a bit rough around the edges but it was purely done as an experiment to prove that it could be done. I used the bass voice Vintage Round to emulate the sound of a Fender electric bass. I also have another version on Audio.com where the voice used is a Fretless Bass which is not really suitable to be used in this particular type of music. This exercise was very time consuming and not to be undertaken lightly. Doubt if I would do it again

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby kens » 10 Dec 2023 00:37

I have to be honest. It didn't work for me. The 2 parts separately were brill, but together no. Ken s.
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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Ron » 10 Dec 2023 00:38

Thanks Ken, it is most refreshing to read a meaningful critique. It really does not work for me either, but as I have stated, this was purely an experimental exercise.

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby dentyr » 10 Dec 2023 00:39

Absolutely loved it Ron! At least I can hear the bass being played. Great jazz piece and you did it very well. Thanks a lot for posting. Regards, Den.
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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 10 Dec 2023 00:56

Ron,

How you managed to put all those bass notes in and make it fit beats me! But I find it difficult to relate to what is clearly a 'jazz' piece, and as such the harmonies are very obscure. It's almost as if everyone is just doing their own thing and hoping for the best. Either you like it, or you don't.

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Re: MULTITRACKING using the AUDIO RECORDER

Postby Hugh-AR » 10 Dec 2023 19:58

I have heard more from Del B, whose YouTube performances using Audio Multitracking are in this topic a little further up ...

He says:
Hi Hugh. Thanks for sharing the multi-tracking of my performances on your site .. much appreciated, The Carol Of The Bells although there are a lot of bells playing, half way through you will hear God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen woven through the main theme of carol of the bells and this is a prime example of what can be done with multi tracking. Regards, Del

This is the YouTube video he is referring to.

Carol Of The Bells -Tyros 5 Cover by Del



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